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Post by wainair on Jul 27, 2005 20:04:10 GMT -5
#Icon031# Hey Pome, I was wondering if I could ask you something bee-atch?  Seeing as we have the same airbox I was wondering what setup worked for you? I just put mine on this weekend and I've been having a bitch of a time getting it right. I don't have the CDI yet, it's on back order at BSS. I've got the 90 jet in there and 2 beercap shims and it's running like a dog. It idles great and up to about 15-20mph and then it just dies. I choked it right down thinking it was too lean and it gets worse. I've gone from a stock top speed of around 36/37mph down to about 24/27mph(the weird mph figures are because I'm converting them from metric). Any advise would be greatly welcome #Icon045#. I haven't looked yet to see if you've posted pic of the pearl yet but I can hardly wait to see it!  |
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Post by SpoonKiller on Jul 27, 2005 20:07:16 GMT -5
#Icon031# Hey Pome, I was wondering if I could ask you something bee-atch? Seeing as we have the same airbox I was wondering what setup worked for you? I just put mine on this weekend and I've been having a bitch of a time getting it right. I don't have the CDI yet, it's on back order at BSS. I've got the 90 jet in there and 2 beercap shims and it's running like a dog. It idles great and up to about 15-20mph and then it just dies. I chocked it right down thinking it was too lean and it gets worse. I've gone from a stock top speed of around 36/37mph down to about 24/27mph(the weird mph figures are because I'm converting them from metric). Any advise would be greatly welcome #Icon045#. I haven't looked yet to see if you've posted pic of the pearl yet but I can hardly wait to see it! Is this the chromed out round box? If so I believe there are like six holes that you can try to fill in until you get the right amount of open holes for air. Smacky just got one too, I don't know if he's installed it yet though. |
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Post by wainair on Jul 27, 2005 20:13:40 GMT -5
Yeah thats the one. It's got four intake holes and two plugs to help you dial it in, but i think I've been through every concevable combination and no dice. #Icon039# Its rather frustrating.
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Post by SpoonKiller on Jul 27, 2005 20:39:03 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be tough to find the sweet spot without your CDI to take advantage of all the air coming in.
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Post by wainair on Jul 27, 2005 20:43:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I think your right Spoon.
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Post by SpoonKiller on Jul 27, 2005 20:50:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I think your right Spoon. right.. so you should send it to me #Icon007# |
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Post by wainair on Jul 27, 2005 21:33:25 GMT -5
yeeeeeaaah rrrrriiiight   |
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Post by PomeRuck on Jul 27, 2005 21:47:41 GMT -5
ya i had the same problem at first. first of all, i would go with an 85 jet for sure. i have the cdi, shimmed needle, ported intake and the 85 is still a little too rich at times. secondly, make sure the dark grey part of the foam is pointing towards the rear. at first judging from the instructions it would seem that it was at the front, but that is only for situations with VERY dusty air. under normal conditions only the yellow part of the foam air filter should actually be filtering the air. try these two things first. this should take care of the problem because my before and after speeds were exactly what yours are. once i did these two things i was cruising at 40 mph on flat ground ( because of cdi mainly). good luck my ninja! #Icon027#
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Post by zeus on Jul 28, 2005 2:01:54 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be tough to find the sweet spot without your CDI to take advantage of all the air coming in. How does the CDI take advantage of the extra air coming in? |
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Post by wainair1 on Jul 28, 2005 4:58:08 GMT -5
ya i had the same problem at first. first of all, i would go with an 85 jet for sure. i have the cdi, shimmed needle, ported intake and the 85 is still a little too rich at times. secondly, make sure the dark grey part of the foam is pointing towards the rear. at first judging from the instructions it would seem that it was at the front, but that is only for situations with VERY dusty air. under normal conditions only the yellow part of the foam air filter should actually be filtering the air. try these two things first. this should take care of the problem because my before and after speeds were exactly what yours are. once i did these two things i was cruising at 40 mph on flat ground ( because of cdi mainly). good luck my ninja! #Icon027# Oh thankyou sage master #Icon045# |
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Post by SpoonKiller on Jul 28, 2005 9:17:14 GMT -5
I think it's gonna be tough to find the sweet spot without your CDI to take advantage of all the air coming in. How does the CDI take advantage of the extra air coming in? Whats' up "zeus" [wink][wink]...  and I believe the CDI will let our "little engine that could" rev higher to use up all that extra air coming in, other wise it will choke. That's what I got from the General when that new little flashy and shinny intake was brought up. |
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Post by PomeRuck on Jul 28, 2005 14:07:12 GMT -5
ya, just higher revs, otherwise you would only experience faster acceleration and top out at 37 mph because of the stock rev limiter.
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Post by wainair on Jul 28, 2005 14:08:29 GMT -5
In addition to what spoon said about eliminating the rev limiter I think I read somewhere that the CDI also opens up the slow jet at high rpms to add a little more throttle juice!   and it advances the timing too. It doesn't slice or dice but I do think you can mash potatoes with it, though I think that would void the warranty  |
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Post by wainair on Jul 28, 2005 14:16:36 GMT -5
The setup you mention pome was what I went with right away. 85 jet and 2 beer shims. I guess the missing mojo is the cdi. I went up to the 90 jet but it is really not running right. I played with flippin the filter and changing the plugs. When I put both plugs in it won't even get going I have one in and it bogs at speed. I'm thinking about taking one of the plugs and slowly opening it until I get the mixture rigth. I ordered the cdi about a month ago but it's back ordered and I don't know when they are going to get it in. I guess if I had too I could put the stock airbox on until the cdi arrives. #Icon041# I know your all thinking #Icon047# Cheers guys and thanks for your help |
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Post by PomeRuck on Jul 28, 2005 15:02:58 GMT -5
no i do give a fuck because you are the only other person i know with this thing! OH i can't believe you use those plugs! don't use them at all. if we are jetting our carbs, we need all the air we can get! i didn't realise you were using the plugs. those are only meant to be used if you are running too lean (too much air to fuel) together we will figure this out my friend! oh and if this still doesn't work, you might have to go to 80 jet depending on your altitude/air density.
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Post by Zgod on Jul 29, 2005 0:59:15 GMT -5
ya, just higher revs, otherwise you would only experience faster acceleration and top out at 37 mph because of the stock rev limiter. The CDI gets rid of the redline (8K and 42mph) but that doesn't really matter since you aren't hitting the redline anyways. It does open up the cold enrichment valve to above 7K but you could accomplish basically the same thing with some carb adjustments. |
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Post by robomod on Jul 29, 2005 16:12:45 GMT -5
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Post by tygerfifteen on Jul 30, 2005 1:02:40 GMT -5
i wonder how fast those drag racers go? and also does anybody know what size rim? what are those dio rims?
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Post by PomeRuck on Jul 30, 2005 15:34:45 GMT -5
wow i really like that tire! will it fit on a stock rim, and if so do you think it is narrow enough to not rub against the rear shock? if it does fit, i'll probably throw my stock rear tire up front, and buy 1 of those for the rear. what do you think about that robo? oh it also looks flat on the surface. do you think it would be good fro sharp cornering? the bopper is round like a traditional cycle tire. tell me your thoughts. oh and uh i think that guy has the tire tread backwards. you know what i mean? like it should be switched. they make the tread in a v shape to push water away. the way he has it set up the tread would push water UNDER the tire. lol.
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Post by robomod on Jul 30, 2005 21:17:54 GMT -5
Pome, The motors that they are using have a 12-inch wheel stock, so it looks like it accepts that 160 rear tire. I'm pretty sure the A032R will fit on the stock rim. Austin Mini rim's are 4.5x10's. It would be worth the experimentation though. The flat tire is better for going into a straight line. Navi-Scooter and Big Scooter magazine show a lot of teams that drag race the big scoots. As with most street-style customs, trends trickle down through the cc ranges until they hit the 50cc's. Like the drag exhaust that BSS is expecting. That's why that scoot has a car tire, for the drag look. I'd have to say turning would not be the same, and you could lose some performance, but you have the look of a fat-ass fuckin, tire on yer little scoot. Especially with the swingarm kit. And those bikes are low enough that they scrape a lot, so the square tire fit his riding style. The grand axis motor does around 60mph, and gets there pretty quick. If you upgrade to the dio zx motor you can get the 81cc kit, that will easily turn that fatty tire. I'm just trying to help you get some fatties.  |
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Post by PomeRuck on Jul 31, 2005 19:54:20 GMT -5
oh ya, i'm all about the fatties. and what's all this talk about a grand axis motor and/or the dio zx motor? ok tell me everything you know because the idea of switching out to a new motor has always tantalized me. however going the honda elite 150 route seems a little too modified if you know what i mean. i want something fast and can be switched out fairly easily with minimal welding/fabrication. so please expand on all this stuff. oh and you started by saying that thier motors have a 12 inch rim stock? please explain. they look like 10 inch rims to me.
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Post by robomod on Jul 31, 2005 21:49:48 GMT -5
oh ya, i'm all about the fatties. and what's all this talk about a grand axis motor and/or the dio zx motor? ok tell me everything you know because the idea of switching out to a new motor has always tantalized me. however going the honda elite 150 route seems a little too modified if you know what i mean. i want something fast and can be switched out fairly easily with minimal welding/fabrication. so please expand on all this stuff. oh and you started by saying that thier motors have a 12 inch rim stock? please explain. they look like 10 inch rims to me. Pome, I was sizing up my vino motor, but there are issues with the rear wheel size. They either put a 10 on or leave the stock 12.   See, the 10 fits cuz there's room. This has been my summer project; disecting zoomer photo's. Abe pointed out that the rear wheels look similar, so your skips the rear, if the front has the dio rim. Motors too look for have a single shock. Having two shocks makes it complicated. The dio zx motor is an exact fit, with a lot of aftermarket bits. They are two-stroke, so there are those issues, but when tuned you'll finally be in love with your ride. The vino motor also needed the fuel pump adapted somehow, but the install would be pretty straigh-forward. Gut the honda, gut the yamaha, and switch all of the organs and veins. Minarelli motors have less electronics, so all of the battery-box mods are capable, from having more room inside the box. And the pivot point for the motor is a straight line. Look at the scooters above. See the tab that was welded on? Basically the motor swings from there, and stretches the shite out of the little scoot. Message me for more info. I have a few motors in mind. RM |
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Post by tygerfifteen on Jul 31, 2005 21:54:09 GMT -5
what's with the bar on the middle?
and how fast do you think the racers go?
and.... i guess we would have to have a custom extension made for the bigger austin mini wheels?
cool, thankx
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Post by robomod on Jul 31, 2005 22:07:38 GMT -5
what's with the bar on the middle? and how fast do you think the racers go? and.... i guess we would have to have a custom extension made for the bigger austin mini wheels? cool, thankx The bar in the middle is a true frame brace. Being a step through frame, the bike flexes because the frame is not "closed". "Closing" the frame gives it more structure. The stock Grand Axis motor, from what I read in reviews from an Austrlian site, gets up to 60mph as fast as a sportbike, but tops out 80mph. A couple of the bike have the stock exhaust. They don't even need the power. With a pipe and variator that thing will make you shart. I'm sure they'd get up to 90, at least. A 2-stroke 100cc. I thought of an offset drivetrain, but it got complicated real quick. It would be better to but 2 new ruckus's for your friends to ride when they come over. The tire clearence needs to be measured. If pome would like to but my an A032R, I'd try it out. It's like a 160-165. I'm thinking of a single-sided swingarm that holds an xr50 motor. It's simple enough to wrap my head around, and I would have a chain-driven four-speed. |
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Post by robomod on Jul 31, 2005 23:09:14 GMT -5
Hey Pome,
How long did it take to prepare your bike for paint?
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